Pot smoker capable of driving car.

allde
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Pot smoker capable of driving car.

Postby allde » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:43 am

In victoria isn't the drug detection the same process?
Perhaps one day a Judge here might have the same conclusion, Before any one starts, no I don't smoke Pot or take illegal drugs, this is just an observation.

Judge: Joint smoker in control of car
Thursday, October 03, 2013

A motorist who admitted smoking two cannabis joints half an hour before driving denied he was incapable of driving and the judge agreed, dismissing the case against him.

By Liam Heylin

Michael Ryan, aged 20, of Ballyshoneen, Berrings, Co Cork, who described himself as a student and senior rugby player, admitted when he was stopped by gardaí that he had smoked two cannabis joints.

However, at Cork District Court yesterday, he pleaded not guilty to driving a car while being under the influence of an intoxicant, to such an extent that he was incapable of having proper control of the car.

Unlike alcohol, where the Road Traffic Act sets out exact levels of alcohol in blood or urine to show that an offence has been committed, the level of cannabis in a motorist’s system is not established by analysis. Only the presence or absence of cannabis in the blood or urine is established.

Judge Olann Kelleher said the fact that the motorist had smoked cannabis was not enough in itself to make out the case for the prosecution on being incapable of having control of the car.

Garda Kieran Crowley testified that he saw the car “weaving” on the road and when he later spoke to the motorist he got a strong smell of cannabis from the car and from the driver.

Mr Ryan told his barrister, Stephen O’Donoghue, yesterday at Cork District Court: “I did not weave or cross over or anything like that.”

Cross-examined by Insp Gary McPolin, he said he had been smoking cannabis regularly at that time and felt capable of driving after two joints. He said he smoked them in a friend’s house and not in the car.

“Garda Crowley said you were slightly weaving,” the inspector said. Mr Ryan replied: “I am 100% sure I was not weaving.”

The inspector said: “You drove within half an hour of smoking two cannabis joints, you knew you were running the gauntlet.”

Mr Ryan replied: “I thought I was capable.”

The inspector said: “It was a good day for Ireland you were stopped that night.”

Garda Brian White observed the car that night and he thought that, for a light drizzle, the car wipers were on full at 10.30pm that night, Dec 27, 2012.

Dismissing the case, Judge Kelleher said it was foolhardy to have driven after smoking cannabis. But he said: “It is unusual that the only complaint by Garda White was the wipers. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I dismiss the case.”

The judge added: “He should not have been driving but I do not find he was unfit to drive, on the evidence.”

Earlier in the hearing, Judge Kelleher said that the fact that Mr Ryan had smoked cannabis was not enough in itself to make out the case for the prosecution on being incapable of having control of the car.
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Re: Pot smoker capable of driving car.

Postby oscar » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:55 am

sounds fair enough (hate saying that)

not sure of the Irish requirements, but where was the evidence that THC was in his body? rather than he just admitted to smoking cannabis....how do we know it was cannabis and not some other crap sold to him?

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Re: Pot smoker capable of driving car.

Postby Chef » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:10 am

Difference between driving under influence and driving with it present in your system. Same as alcohol, dui vs exceed concentration

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Re: Pot smoker capable of driving car.

Postby oscar » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:16 am

come on chef....since when did the press use the correct terminology? ;)

and when did 'weaving' constitute poor driving? that's normal for using your phone !

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Re: Pot smoker capable of driving car.

Postby Hardy » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:06 pm

Seems like the same as in Aust. The police need to prove he was incapable, not that he had a drug in his system. Anyway, their evidence that he had a drug in his system was merely hearsay and needed to be proved by a lab test of body fluid.


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