Prolaser 4 stored offence data

[Porkncheese]

Hello.

The Prolaser 4 stores data of its past 1000 offences.

Given I will be casting doubt onto to almost every aspect of the matter, how strong is the prosecution case if it fails to provide this piece of evidence?
Or how much can their case be weakened by reasonable doubt on this issue?

Oh and please don't suggest to go see a lawyer without actually recommending a trusted one that specialises in traffic matters because the one time I did use a lawyer left a bitter taste in my mouth in a way where I cannot trust any lawyers anymore

[Day]

Have you read the home page for this site?

When you say offences, do you mean vehicles detected? So 1000 speed readings?

[Porkncheese]

Um, homepage?
I can't seem to find a page that has that title

[Porkncheese]

Well the Prolaser 4 manual states
"The ProLaser 4 captures time, date, speed and range information for each locked target"
It then goes on to say
"This data is stored in the Events Log memory and can be accessed via the USB port. 1000 records can be held in memory"

[Day]

Well the Prolaser 4 manual states
"The ProLaser 4 captures time, date, speed and range information for each locked target"

That is events, not offences. By the time your request gets through there could be many times that number of vehicles checked.

[Day]

Um, homepage?
I can't seem to find a page that has that title

Yep. www.trafficlaw.com.au

This is the forum linked to that site. All owned and run by a Barrister.

[Porkncheese]

The title of that section is "Stored Offence Data- Events Log"

You make a good point about many other events occurring and wiping out my event but I did make the request immediately.
Within 2 or 3 days of the allegation. Or is that just easily countered by your point?

[Porkncheese]

Oh ok sorry. I found this forum without even knowing about that website.
I'll have a look now

[Day]

How did you make the request? If you made it direct to the officer's office, the police aren't required to provide you with any evidence unless you have elected to contest the matter at court. If it is an FOI request it can take a couple of weeks to get to the office. By then the info could be lost.

What are you trying to establish by having that data, considering there are a number of ways data is recorded?

[Porkncheese]

Ok the term you are using, "request" I am assuming it means to request to have the matter dealt in court which is what I did immediately.

I'm not trying to obtain this data rather point out to the judge that the prosecution has no documented data of my alleged event from the actual speed detection device.

It may not be a case winning detail but it surely has to throw some kind of doubt into that part of the allegation doesn't it?

[Day]

They will have a running sheet or other record of the serial number of the device used. Your incident will be recorded in the officers copy of the infringement notice. The number will be recorded on the running sheet.

[Porkncheese]

So documented evidence that is recorded directly from the speed measuring device is worthless.
A simple police running sheet and speeding fine is all they need. How crap is that. Wide open to corruption.

Beyond reasonable doubt means nothing then it seems because there is a reasonable doubt weather the officer did actually get a reading from the prolaser if he couldn't show me the reading of it at the time and cannot point out such event on the devices event history.

Maybe I should just plead guilty, even though I know I wasn't going that fast, and get it over and done with.
Loose my license for 6 months and hope I don't get caught going to and from work.
The judge will just see that I'm not represented, treat me like a criminal and disregard everything I say anyway probably

[Day]

What do you mean corruption? How could they bodge the figures? Did you look at the reading they got on the lidar? How could that be different to what is on the infringement notice? What benefit would they get from writing a false fine, given they get paid the same whether they get tickets or not?

[Porkncheese]

As I said, the police didn't show me the reading on the lidar.

How could they bodge the figures... Quite easily without any evidence I guess they could just put down what ever they feel or estimate.

Why would they... I don't know all their angles but my first answer would be because it was impossible for them to laser my vehicle at the time, saw me overtaking a slow moving truck from a distance and incorrectly estimated my speed.

Its guilty until proven innocent really. And all that is required is a police officers word.

[Day]

I missed the bit where he couldnt show you the reading? How did the conversation go? Did you ask to see it? If you did and they didn't show you, what was the reason they gave?

[Porkncheese]

Unless... The officer was using the lidar in the passenger seat while the other was driving and caught me speeding 250 meters behind them on the lidar.
Maybe he was skilled enough to use it off the car mirror, sending laser beams back through traffic, around a bend and up a hill to my car and back again to the device which accurately measured my speed and range without any other interference. Amazing technology.

The conversation went something like this.
Officer - "We detected you doing 124km/h in an 80km/h zone. What is your reason for speeding?"
Me - "No comment"
He then asked for my license and went to the patrol car to write out the ticket.
I didn't answer anything apart from my name and address and I didn't ask anything.
He gave me no details about how I was detected and didn't offer to show me the reading either.

[Day]

He gave me no details about how I was detected and didn't offer to show me the reading either.

So you didn't ask.

The officer was using the lidar in the passenger seat while the other was driving and caught me speeding 250 meters behind them on the lidar.
Maybe he was skilled enough to use it off the car mirror, sending laser beams back through traffic, around a bend and up a hill to my car and back again to the device which accurately measured my speed and range without any other interference. Amazing technology.

You keep adding detail that we were unaware of when commenting. How about you describe the whole situation, in detail so people here could give you a more accurate precis. That's if you want input?

[Porkncheese]

Look. I didn't want to reveal too much. I just wanted to know the worth of that event log from the prolaser.
But seeing I've now given my explanation I may as well get the brief, which isn't very detailed, block out names, places, dates and such to protect my privacy and identity, and attach it onto here.

I've got a few things to do now so it may not be posted for another hour or two.
I appreciate your contribution to this discussion

[Porkncheese]

Ok check out the breif

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See how the coppers give no indication as to where they where positioned.
They really observed me in the rear view mirror of their travelling patrol vehicle.
I spotted them up ahead as iv come over a rise with the road then dropping and sweeping down into a valley. I was doing about 100km/h as I was passing a truck moving at around 65-70km/h so I quickly checked my speed back down to 80km/h.
Moments later I see the patrol car pull over to the side of the road. As I passed them they switched on the sirens and pulled me over.

At the mention the judge said that even though the onus is on the prosecution to prove the allegation beyond reasonable doubt, I still had to tip the balance of probability in my favour. I thought to myself wtf only civil cases operate on the balance of probability. I'm fairly sure that I have to provide as much doubt as possible which seems easier to do then tip the balance of probability.
I'm think I'm about to get screwed by the lady of justice... Again

[Porkncheese]

That didn't work. Can't i simply upload a jpg, png or gif?
It must be a url link... Damn it looks like such an effort.

The more i think about it the more im realizing that im about to get screwed by the lady of justice... AGAIN... Anyway.
I was so naive thinking our justice system was great, that it was fair and that the correct decision was always made till about 2 years ago when I was accused of something i didnt do.

I was framed in order to seperate me from my former partner. Police took it up with no evidence at all. I hired a solicitor for the IVO against me, promising me nothing would happen. After dragging it on and on she tells me to just accept the IVO without addmission. Cost me $15,000 and for what. Nothing.

So as im coming to terms with everything i get charged with the same unfounded claims but in a criminal court now. I spoke to the same solicitor and I was absolutely furious at this stage. She wanted over $20,000 to get a barrister to do my case. So i have to pay 2 attorneys now. Lost all faith in lawyers. Seems like she made me give into the ivo knowing that a criminal charge would follow and hoping to milk me again.

So I tried to represent myself. I saw how quickly both the police and the judges would presume my guilt and was treated unfairly by both. Feeling I wasn't going to get a fair trial at the contest, after 18 months of of head aches, heart aches I accepted a plea indication of only $1,000, I thought I was up for damages totalling tens of thousands so I was ok with that. But I also was convicted of stalking, damage to property and assault.

A man set out to take my woman. Fabricating a false set of events to frame me.
He used the police and justice system to do it for him without paying a cent while using blackmail and extortion on my ex who i will never forgive.
Now this piece of scum mistreats her and abuses her and she has no where to run now. He is a monster.

The justice system is all fucked up. Its not about acheiving a morally correct result or justice or the truth or facts. Its like a sport with big money going around.
You have a right to a fair trial if you can afford it. And if you can them you will get fleeced by attorneys and or the judge who thinks his above the Lord himself the arrogant pricks.
You pay them over $500 per hour. That is just criminal in itself. most people need to work 2 or 3 days to make that.
You pay them big dollars for what? There are no expensive tools or equipment like a dentist would have. Theres no big responsibility or liability such as an engineer who may design a building for example where one error could mean the death of thousands of people. A lawyer simply talks to ajudge about a acase. Failure means nothing to them and is accepted.

You pay them tens of thousands so that they can pay the judge to win your case. No money no justice.
Or they can use that money to corrupt/negotiate with the prosecution into dropping the case. The salary of a cop isn't that great so they would welcome such offers.

Unfortunately money controls everything and sadly, nothing more so than the justice system